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Friday, August 29, 2008
So, I'm willing to consider Linux. I'm not interested in any version that requires endless faffing about under the hood. I just want software that actually fucking works. Some of my readers must know what to recommend. What do you recommend? 65 Comments:I concur, a live CD is the way to go. I'd recommend Ubuntu or Mandriva One (http://www.mandriva.com/en/product/mandriva-linux-one). No need to install just to try it out. I would second Ubuntu - while it's the current 'trendy' Linux distro, it's also very good at just working. for "it just works" go for Ubuntu. As other comments point out is actually easier than XP most of the time.
I'm running Ubuntu on my Desktop at work, my new work laptop is due today with it preinstalled and my home laptop (which is getting fixed right now) was running Ubuntu until it started smoking....
Ubuntu's a pretty good choice.
Ubuntu, from here...
I'm very happy with Ubuntu. The only thing I lose are a -few- flash websites, and it may be that this is due to my mucking with something I shouldn't have.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but Ubuntu is what you're looking for.
Also Ubuntu.
weeell .. I hear everybody suggesting Ubuntu and I have to slightly wince. Yes, it is quite painfree to install and it does a lot of things automatically, but once you get a bit farther along it can be quite frustrating in it's insistence on doing everything automatically. At least that's the way it felt to me. I, personally, am right now quite fond of arch-Linux, but wouldn't recommend it to a beginner.
By all means try Linux. When you give up and go back to Windows (probably without a blog fanfare) make sure you don't install any shite-ware from Norton.
If you want to minimize your future pain in the long term, and expect to be using computers for quite a number of years still, go with Linux, as the openness will mean that as you hit snags, as we all do from time to time, you can learn the more universal whys and hows, instead of being conditioned to push a certain button in this particular software version. Ubuntu is a good choice. Burn a live DVD to test your hardware compatibility. If it just works and all of your hardware is compatible, you're golden. I used to use Red Hat, but switched over to Ubuntu a while ago; Ubuntu are doing a much better job of cutting down on the faffing about under the hood. Ubuntu's about the best, but the reality is that there are still hardware compatibility issues, ease-of-use issues, and application issues. Perhaps a downgrade to Windows XP is in order?
I just installed Ubuntu on an aging Sony TR1. Had to install DVD-playing software separately (since they can't include it in the distro for legal reasons), and then Google to figure out why I wasn't hearing sound. (Probably machine-specific.) I'd say both of those were pretty over-the-hood.
Addition to my earlier Ubuntu rec.
Like everyone else I would recommend Ubuntu. However there are issues to be aware of and I'm afraid that some "faffing about" is probably inevitable.
Kill your PC and buy a new iMac. Buy a Mac or downgrade to XP. Linux is a lost cause, that keeps destroying all the choice it once offered, and is increasingly becoming a poorly-working cheap plastic clone of Windows/Mac. Better use the real thing. B. Dewhirst seems unware that BSD is not Linux. BSD distributions is a lot of the same software that Linux distributions use, but the core is different (non-GNU base unix utililities, and non-Linux kernel). But OS X only uses the BSD kernel and traditional unix tools. All the GUI stuff and architecture is different on OS X. BSD is also lacking many of the recent idiocies in Linux architecture (except on the GUI side, which is the same shit). No matter my discontent with the direction Linux is taking -- trying to offer the same shit that OS X/Windows do, and at the same time killing off the power user -- OS X and Windows serve him better in offering an "idiot box", if that's what he wants. Linux is not there yet, but neither is it any longer a good OS for power users. It's just for the developers of the big corporate-sponsored projects and "idiot users" with very low standards.
yes, ubuntu,
Yeah, another in the clamour for Ubuntu. I switched to it from Mac OS X after my iBook's logic board broke and required pressing on the case to make it function. I had been using Ubuntu and Xubuntu (a variant with a different desktop manager) on the iBook in a small partition, so I had some experience (albeit with the more difficult and no longer officially supported PPC variant). I'd also installed it on friends' computers and helped them with it. Ubuntu has gotten to the stage where you just turn on software repositories for the stuff that's either proprietary or in legal grey areas (mainly media codecs and encryption) and after the installation it becomes pretty much a one-click task.
If you must run Linux, use Ubuntu. But don't expect a smooth ride. I switch to Ubuntu about once every six months to see how it's coming along, and generally speaking I get pissed off and switch back to OS X within a week or two. It simply isn't a seamless desktop OS yet, and I don't think it's even moving in the right direction right now. And I say this as a person who has been in open source for a very long time, and would really like a good, usable open source desktop.
Macs Just Work. But if you want to go Linux (cheaper and more flexible)... Ubuntu, definitely. My kids (three and eleven) use it with no problems, and -- yes, it just works. Plus it took about ten minutes to install and set up. IHNTA, just another vote for "Macs Just Work". I got my first PC in 1989 and my first Mac in 2005; I've never looked back.
Ken, Last March I bought a Toshiba laptop with (of course) VISTA already installed. Although I had been warned by friends, I was dismayed and frustrated by seeing just how crappy the program is. Nothing helped. Glitches over and over again, together with functions whose workings are hardly intuitive. Since I had some extra money I splurged and bought a beautiful MAC BOOK PRO, with which I have not yet had one problem (not counting lousy providers). Add me as another vote for PC to Mac. As soon as my desktop becomes full of fail, it's getting replaced by a Mac. I see my son spending too much time faffing around with his Linux installations.
Charles, here's ammo for those of true True Faith:
If you consider a Mac, try one first. They make a one-size-fits-most set of human interface device assumptions that, well, fits most. If you're not in most, the user experience will range from unpleasant to mad, inhuman furry.
I think you should know that Vista is widely held to be far worse than XP. Also Norton anti-virus is one of the worst you can get - it's so bad that Norton actually give away a free uninstaller to clean their awful products off your computer once and for all!
I have an ancient which will run some slightly older Linux live-CDs without problems, but It's just that bit too old to work well. Chiefly, not enough RAM. I sympathise with your problems re: windows vista. Actually getting it installed is the least of the problems it causes - it's a fucking lemon.
A vote for Mandriva; it worked out of the box for me, and the Mandriva Control Centre is the best GUI config tool I've seen, but I left it due to laptop power issues.
A Linux flavour that doesn't get the credit it deserves (IMO) is Mepis (mepis.org).
Charles, why do you say that if I tried Linux I would go back to Vista?
anon: Yesterday I actually managed to get Service Pack 1 to install - don't know what made the difference, because I didn't do anything different.
It may be a cliche but OS-X really makes for a pain-free IT experience. Even the most friendly of Linux distributions still needs to be carefully matched to your hardware if you want to avoid endless faffing. So, given that you're probably going to have to buy new hardware to avoid faff, I'd just get a Mac. Either a Macbook if you want a laptop, or a Mini if you want a desktop. Get as much memory as you can afford, and contrary to what other people tell you, get the memory from the same place as you get everything else. It'll cost more, but it reduces faff.
I tried mucking around with Ubuntu, but didn't really get anywhere, possibly because my old PC didn't have the necessary specs. I tried it on a better machine a while back and it simply didn't work. It just hung up, stuff like that, and gave me error messages rather than install.
sounds like an old ubuntu Gary. And of course I forgot to mention that Ubuntu will also run on Macs. So you'd have a choice of three different flavours of operating system all in one box.
Yeah, I vote for getting rid of Norton before you do anything else. McAfee works just fine.
Norton is infamous for causing problems. How Symantec manage to keep going, I just don't understand. Codecs for MP3s are proprietary, some distributions will therefore have nothing to do with, them except as a downloaded extra. Non-proprietary audio formats include ogg and flac files (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC) which are not necessarily supported by your favourite proprietary personal walkpod.
Ken,
"I just want software that actually fucking works."
Good Gods no! Don't get me wrong, I do like Linux and Ubuntu, really. Once I even replaced my wifes windows-machine with it. It worked well. But last year I got an offer I couldn't resist: being the main director for an all new tv-channel. Well, I got an pretty expensive Dell notebook as well, and after unwrapping it I nearly dropped it. This was the ugliest machine ever invented. I flatly refused to take such a thing while directing a show. How could I probably argue with the camera or lighting crew about an aesthetically satisfying setting while carrying such a thing?
I got a $400 Compaq laptop last year. It came with Vista. I think it was slow; anyway, I've heard plent of bad things about Vista and DRM, I wasn't putting up with that.
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I would download an Ubuntu (www.ubuntu.com) live CD and have a play with it. If you like it, you can install off the same CD.
The Desktop linux distros (Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuSE) these days rarely require even the same level of tinkering that XP needs...
By Unknown, at Friday, August 29, 2008 1:37:00 pm